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army had been stolen from the ministry of defense by the very people the u.s. entrusted to run it. >> that's a lot of money. >> it's one of the biggest thefts in history, i think. >> most of the iraqi officials involved, including the former minister of defense, have skipped the country, but we found one of his deputies vacationing in paris. if you went back to baghdad, you'd be arrested. >> uh, no. nobody will arrest me. they will kill me. [ticking] [camera shutter snaps] >> these surveillance photos were taken by undercover police officers while they watched a team of seven south american thieves clean out an old navy store. >> shirts at $22.50, and they got the whole rack. >> when police moved in to make the arrest, they found enough merchandise to fill a room. all taken in less than an hour without anyone inside the store noticing a thing. [ticking] >> we have never seen a problem of this size and magnitude in world history. >> now hang on. in world history. >> there's more counterfeiting going on in china now than we've ever seen anywhere. >> name an american brand. any brand
it again. the defense department's five biggest contractors have been raising cash holdings by a whopping 70% in the last quarter. should they be this worried? we're going to speak with a couple of defense analysts in the back half of the program. >> also, do house speaker john boehner's constituents think he's doing enough to avert the looming crisis? we're going to hear from chief washington correspondent john harwood who is just back from a trip from his home state of ohio. >>> up next, though, fallout from last week's autonomy mess mounteding. hewlett-packard's ceo and former hp head all sued by a shareholder for alleged fraud. it's getting ugly out there. we're going to speak with a lawyer gearing up to represent other hp plaintiffs when we come back. [ male announcer ] if you suffer from heartburn 2 or more days a week, why use temporary treatments when you can prevent the acid that's causing it with prevacid24hr. with one pill prevacid24hr works at the source to prevent the acid that causes frequent heartburn all day and all night. and with new prevacid24hr perks, you can earn rewa
to mark hurd's defense so quickly? >> what a spectacular job he did over that five-year period at hp. you can look at the results. it's a little like looking at the apple results. hp without mark hurd, hp with mark hurd, hp without mark hurd. >> and the stock just kept going lower there. >> it did. what a story. only two years, bill. so is larry ellison right? did it all go wrong since mark hurd was forced out? herb, you say the company did take a turn for the worst after mark hurd left. he was a better salesperson and better at execution. is that what you're saying? >> shaw. >> no, we think so. at the end of the day, they are selling commodity products, but there's nothing wrong with that. you just have to be run well. if you look at since then, they haven't been run well. we think that's an issue. also, having a strong sales force, strong personality in terms of convincing your own employees, this terms of convincing customers, we think those are things that are no longer there. we think, frankly, have made life difficult for hp. >> herb, you disagree. you think the company's problems w
're given time to get used to it. let's talk about defense cuts. this, too, is an area, as mr. bowles says, we spend more on defense then the next 16, 17 countries combined. what defense program would you be willing to see cut. i know there are sensitive issues in your state about the nuclear arsenal there, even some transport planes that the air force would say we can do without but you support? what would you see cut there? >> i think we can look at some of our overseas bases and some of those kinds of things. i think there are areas we can find savings. but remember under the budget control act we've already reduced spending on the military by half a trillion dollars which is why i don't see the sequestration. i think we can find savings in a good, solid, sound prudent way but let's prioritize, whether it is the military or anything else. again we've already made a commitment to reductions in the military through the budget control act. >> let's talk a little bit about revenues. one of the guys lo's at the heart of this whole debate is a man named grover norquist. did you sign the grove
border with syria. >> the it turn kish government stressed the tee employment will be defensive only. and that it will in no way support a no-fly zone or any offensive operation. >> the situation is detearer be rapidly as rebels continue to battle government forces. so still to come on the show, as tensions simmer between china and japan, our panel exams if asia's top economies can still do business despite national list tick further at home. >>> hsbc's flash pmi shows china's packer to activity expanding above the key 50 level for the first time in more than a year. stocks in shanghai fall on fears they may rein in on stimulus. and no sign of compromise as eu leaders begin arriving in brussels for what could turn into four days of budget talks. david cameron iterating his criticism of increasing the bloc's spending. palestinians pour into the streets as eight days of strikes end between israel and hamas. this is a thanksgiving day holiday. so happy thanksgiving if you celebrate it. slim gains yesterday. ibex up 0.8%. we are focusing on spain in the next 15 minutes. we have spain tap
. anyway, we're going to visit with former assistant secretary of defense byng west in 15 minutes to parse through it. for 15 years the federal gas tax has been 18.4 cents a gallon, good. some people now in industry groups, they want to raise it as part of the fiscal cliff negotiation. that is a bad idea. first of all, we don't need another tax, period. it's just going to slow down the economy and damage consumers. second of all, it shut should be a state and local decision, not a federal decision. this is so important. yeah, bridges need to be upgraded and so forth, but, again, this is no time to burden motorists with higher gasoline prices that have more than doubled in the last four years and no time to burden consumers with another tax burden. now, there's one man in washington who is a true leader in the fight against out-of-control spending. what does they think about where the fiscal cliff talks are going? can he possibly be happy with all this talk about revenues and nothing about making spending cuts? we welcome back senator tom coburn about to join us next up on "kudlow." >>> tom
the last couple of months. republicans are on the defensive. they are backing away from grover and i think that is increasing the likelihood that we're going to get a deal. >> never thought the phrase butt fumble would be uttered on cnbc. leave it to harwood. >> especially from john harwood. but you never know. you never know. >>> meantime, ty, state attorneys general have sounded the fiscal cliff alarm this well. 43 ags have sent a letter to congressional leadership's urging them to extend the tax relief on the mortgage debt forgiveness. diana olick has the letter and she joins us with washington with more of the details on that. hi, diana. >> sue, you're right. five largest banks in this nation have already wiped out more than $6 billion of mortgage principle debt for thousands of borrowers under that giant mortgage settle many that just went into effect early this year. they've also wiped out according to the monitor of the settlement more than $13 billion worth of debt involved in short sales. that, say the nation's state attorney general provide rerelief to homeowners trying to get ba
and choppiness of it, think about how you can maybe shift your portfolio and be more defensive. >> so, give me -- is that one of the reasons why perhaps utilities are bouncing recently, because people are looking for that safety and also the yields, of course? >> exactly. you look at the dividend yield, utilities or tell come, clearly with interest rates this low where are investors going? utilities, telecom, into mlps, high yield emerging market debt, all these areas will continue to be in a bid. what i think of from a sector allocation standpoint, what i think the next month and a half in the markets, i think of the lower beta areas, utilities and telecom one of them. >> what would you stay away from? >> i luook what is going on in europe, see big steps in that right direction. >> >> bob pisani loved the greece deal. >> a great deal. i like the idea of going to the troy ka and ask them to reinnocent mortgage. >> how much of a typical portfolio do you think you would allocate into high-yield asset? >> ultimately depends on the individual investors and how they view sort of risk and what their
that. >> why do you think that is? >> they're feeling very defensive now, and so, like, i can only assume that that is the reason why they declined. >> the banks are defensive because all 50 state attorneys general want to punish them. the states are seeking about $20 billion in damages for what they say is the irresponsible, perhaps criminal way that some mortgage companies handled what is, for most folks, the most important investment of their lives. >> in march 2012, the us government, 49 state attorneys general, and the nation's five largest mortgage lenders announced a $25 billion agreement over alleged foreclosure abuses and asked a federal judge to approve the plan. as part of that settlement, lynn szymoniak, who filed a whistle-blower lawsuit on behalf of the federal government, will receive $18 million. [ticking] coming up, the complex financial instrument that helped down the u.s. economy. >> the idea that you could lend money to someone who couldn't pay it back is not an inherently attractive idea to the layman, right? however, it seemed to fly with people who were makin
defense budget. here is the bottom line. the combination of these lines pla believe that it is blissful not ignorant. the bill will come soon enough even if there is not an agreement. i say we solve the cliff and we go over the cliff and it turns out that the consumer was just past the dpraf yard all along. >> hi jim. i have grown to adore your show. it is enhanced by your insight and personality. i would like to know your thoughts about the high end luxury retail stocks and how they will fair with both the short-term and long-term. >> stocks didn't rally. these are all problems with the fiscal cliff. everyone of those stocks, sort of going off had we heard there was a deal. we have to wait for a deal or we can't plunge in. thank you for all of those kind words. >> can we go to paul in new hampshire? >> booyah from the granite state. if the mortgage interest deduction is lieliminated, whato you think the impact will be? >> impact on real estate investment trusts? >> they are totally trading as a factor of the dividend tax. and what people think it can eastern after tax on how little the
loss of jobs, higher mandated taxes, defense budget, small price to pay for standing on principle approximately it's a betrayal for a huge number of these people. if you're a republican, hell bent on never raising taxes, go over the cliff and then give into the president but you can also say you cut taxes. remember that? it's a win-win to go over the clip. then you don't break the grover norquist pledge to raise taxes. which is why it's time to prepare for the failure of december talks. maybe we need the hardships main street middle class to become so clear that a compromise that abandons cherished principles may be the only way to avoid a recession, which would give other candidates a chance to rise up and take your seat in congress. hence why i'm not back with the 10% solution, a solution like how the dreaded tarp got through congress, so-called bank bailout. 10% after tarp was first rejected and congress people, constituents who own stock, people who can afford to contribute to campaigns, we better do some compromising. that could happen again if we don't get a deal by year end
. have a good week. edward barack says he's quitting political life. he will remain defense chief until after the next set of elections. right now it's time for today's edition of the global markets report. european stocks having a pretty good week last week we are weighted to the down side after that good week. dean klein ye 7:2 at the moment, but not a bad week at all. ftse up nearly 4% last week, up 5% for the dax, 5.6% for the cac. ftse down a third, spanish yields pretty low reading. well away i suppose from the 6% mark is what i'm saying. ten year bund yields 1.4 p. we've seen the dollar index just down on a three week low at the moment. plenty of focus on yen. dollar-yen 81.98. pulling away from the 7 1/2 month high. aussie dollar back over 1.04. sterling-dollar just on the 1.60 marks as you can see. that's where we stand in europe. let's check in on the asian trading session for the first time this week. >> mixed trade here in asia. investors cautious ahead of the eurozone finance ministers meeting. but the nikkei continued to push higher as exporters gained on the yen's weaknes
is going to keep business very cautious, very defensive and that's going to worry the equity market. >> it's interesting because it also comes against the landscape where we've seen chinese equities underperform, they reminded us very few of its member countries have great growth prospects going forward. that's probably wise. people are saying why is it that across the globe the u.s. fiscal cliff is such an issue. well, it's because sources of growth at this point are few and far between. >> that is the problem. where is growth going to come from. the one place that looked set for a reasonable 2013 was the u.s. economy. europe flat, china slower probably than this year. but a reasonable set of growth. if you put a 3.5%, 4% of gdp drag on that economy which was only growing at 2, 2.5, you're talking about throwing it into recession. that's why markets are taking heart this morning and equities remain nervous. >> the rhetoric, to avoid the fiscal cliff, taxes go up, dividend tax rates, personal tax rates, corporate tax rates go up, that that itself will cause economic weakness. what do you s
with your technology, with your health care, stay with defensive stocks. >> you still like apple? >> we love apple. we think it can get back to 7350. but china, ipad, iphone, those will be -- >> a good week this week. thank you get to the mood as well, with your candy striped tie. >> look at those numbers, two for the lottery. >>> about ten minutes left, only a half trading day. the rally continues. >> it is indeed. we. steve cohen is in the cross hairs of federal prosecutors who are trying to turn a former employees accused of insider trading against him. the very latest information on a new weights scandal. >>> deal or no deal? will stocks fall off a cliff if congress cannot fix our financial mess before the end of the year. a story you've heard a few things about lately. we'll have more. ♪ the holly that will be on your own front door ♪ can i help you? i heard you guys can ship ground for less than the ups store. that's right. i've learned the only way to get a holiday deal is to camp out. you know we've been open all night. is this a trick to get my spot? [ male announcer ] break fro
more seconds. give me secretary of defense stock. >> you know, i'm going to be a little opportunistic. chipotle. it's pulled way back. i think it's a hot stock. people like tacos. >> many thanks. guy gets it done. he's been around a while. knows what he's talking about. that's it for this evening's show, folks. thanks very much for watching. much more on the fiscal cliff as it unfolds. those little things still get you. for you, life's about her. but your erectile dysfunction - that could be a question of blood flow. cialis tadalafil for daily use helps you be ready anytime the moment's right. you can be more confident in your ability to be ready. and the same cialis is the only daily ed tablet approved to treat ed and symptoms of bph, like needing to go frequently or urgently. tell your doctor about all your medical conditions and medications, and ask if your heart is healthy enough for sexual activity. do not take cialis if you take nitrates for chest pain, as this may cause an unsafe drop in blood pressure. do not drink alcohol in excess with cialis. side effects may include headac
thought there was an interesting article. dave cote from honeywell, the guy who runs the defense sector there -- >> is he french now? >> no, what's his name? >> very sophisticated. >> they were talking about how defense has to be cut and i think that's an important statement. i think this whole thing starts with the defense cuts and everything else will fall in line. i do think we'll get some resolution on this, whether it spills into the new year doesn't matter. i think everybody is preparing for the imminent tax hike anyway. it's just going to come. on the issue of dividends and capital gains, that will be hung out there, will we go up to the ordinary, i don't think so. i think it will be some compromise. it's not that i'm hoping that, but i think that there will be. >> does it matter if we -- so we cave. we're afraid, we don't want anything bad to happen. so we're going to raise some taxes. we're going to cave, but we're not going to really cut spending, we don't want to hurt anyone. this is what we do and no one could fail. you know, a couple years ago -- is it bad that we don't tak
care in this country as other countries do. we spend seven times the amount in defense than the top seven countries in the world, including china. the tax code needs to be revamped. the whole idea of social security. and they're going on vacation. we're talking about a huge, huge dent in the society that we live in today. i don't think people really appreciate the sense of urgency or understand what they do. >> i don't think -- it seems like washington doesn't. i think what mario said, linking it to hurricane sandy, if the governors went away during this crisis, we would all be upset. let me switch gears and ask you about hurricane sandy. big hit to the insurance industry. tell me what you're seeing. is there an impact on willis? how does the cost element play out? >> right after it happened, i said that i thought that the impact would be $30 billion to $50 billion of insurance capacity. everybody was at 5 to 15. now everyone is around 20 to 25. i think at the end of the day, it will be closer to 30. what's happening here is that the property gets hit first, but then as time goes on
of defense peter brooks and we welcome back wes clark former nato ally commander and fellow senior at ucla berko center. a serious question, do you think israel got done what it needed to get done in terms of taking out the hamas military installations and the rocket installations? did they get the job done? >> it is too early to know, but they sure hit a lot of targets in there, and you have to believe that targets were appropriate targets. they were plotted, picked up through various means of intelligence, and they had adequate time to strike them. the question is, did they do enough? we don't know that. the ground campaign remains an option. the troops are still there and as prime minister nettena hugh said, he cannot and will not allow the terrorists to rearm. >> interesting petoint, peter p you say ground war, if hamas doesn't round up the truce, it still can happen. >> it can still happen. >> you're the only one saying truce may not happen. now, peter, this is something, a quote from secretary of state hillary clinton today. she is in egypt. she says with president marcy. egypt assum
bonds that yield 2% and that's going to protect you. i think gold is going to be the best defense you have against the worries that you just outlined. let's go to anthony in virginia, please. anthony? >> caller: washington redskins boo-yah rg3 nation stand up. >> man. dan snyder is your owner, have you thought about that at all? >> caller: i got a quick question. >> boo! >> when stay on the sidelines or look to get in long-term? >> when it's overbought, my old rule, i use the s&p oscillator. it comes delivered to my door on saturdays. my rule is very overbought, hey, take a pass. another time will come. however, you can get started small and hope it comes back if you just can't resist. sam in ohio, sam? >> caller: hey, jim, big glass city boo-yah to ya. >> love it. what's up? >> caller: i have a question. i've been looking at a couple of utility stocks, and looking at either going with preferred instead of the common shares. i just wanted to get your opinion on maybe what might be better -- >> nah, come on, we want upside. we want upside. we don't want to cap our upside. you know what
for today. you're seeing a grab bag of companies, some defensive names like exelon, wisconsin energy and southern company in the energy sector. as well as cablevision and genworth which is an insurance name. so roughly pretty big grab bag for laggards today. research in motion getting a big pop today on heavy volume for that stock, up 14% in a sustained rally. that's a big move for r.i.m. we're finally getting a date for the blackberry rollout, january 30th. analysts like that move as well as investors. >> we'll see if that works out. >> blackberry 10 is make or break for this stock. >> our internal market guru here at cnbc tells me that with today's rally, the markets are now back -- they've erased all of the losses we saw in the u.s. markets after the election on november 6th. we're back to -- >> we have a crack data team, don't we? we ask, they perform. thank you very much. >>> from california to florida, walmart workers have been staging protests at various locations across the country. but, is that keeping shoppers away? we'll go live to a walmart store in maryland for the lates
defense risk assets. dividend payers, technology, even overseas, emerging markets. china looks like it's finally starting to recover because the bottom line is, even if we don't go over the fiscal cliff, we'll still have a very, very slow growth environment for a period of time. you have to hedge both sides. don't get too optimistic but don't escape from the market completely because you could miss a rally up. >> mary, this dominates trading, doesn't it, the discussion about fiscal cliff? how much is it driving averages on every given day? >> it does. if you read the notes, you talk to traders, it's one of the first things they talk about every day. any headline you see about it, that's going to affect trading. as a result, just as a lot of our guests have been saying, a number of people are expecting volatility to increase as we get closer and closer to that deadline. that being said it appears fewer investors are taking a risk in the market. as of today, like last week, we're seeing very light volume. well below averages of 3.5 billion shares. it looks like investors may be waiting o
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for areas to enter in o short position on lockheed martin. >> defense stocks because of the fiscal cliff. >> yes, but once that gets solved, i think you have a huge rally in early 2013. then you're left with the real facts, that we're massively accumulating debt. interest rates are artificially low at 0%. >> and we've known that. >> and we're counterfeiting money like crazy. that is not the way to build an economy. i mean, come on. how sustainable is this economy? really? >> we got it. you're right. >> did i make my point clear? >> you never know what he's thinking. >> it's the phoney recovery. it's built on an adjustable rate mortgage. an interest rate shock. when it comes out, it's going to wipe out the solvency of this nation. >> that may be the case. everything you say may be right, but the bottom line is i want to know what the stock market is going to do as a result. the fed is printing money. they're going to print more. if you think there's going to be qe-4, why wouldn't the stock market go up? >> because blowing up the amount of base money isn't enough to get the monetary aggreg
a pass on the fiscal cliff. home builders, gold stocks big gainers this week. defensive names, cyclical stocks are the biggest gainers on the week. dow is up 2%. we also see s&p 500 sector gainers. this is all the risk-on trade. materials, tech, energy, financials, there's your classic risk-on move and for the week the dow is up 2%. s&p up maybe 2.3% for the week. my sense is that this is going to last another week and a half to two weeks. you have a grace period where they'll let them negotiate. if we get into the week of december 10th, everyone feels we better get some outlines of what will happen. if there's not the obvious -- we're not going to have a deal, it is going to move down very fast. i think we have a period of a week and a half here. >> we'll be watching. thank you. >>> the announcement of the cease-fire. did that lead to selling in treasuries? rick santelli is tracking the selling at the s&p. >> definite talk on the floor has been almost universally about the cease-fire and a lot of thought as to why the market and treasuries didn't really respond much. you could look for
details are being worked out, the violence continues in gaza. overnight, israeli defense forces attacked again about 100 targets in the gaza strip. today, the militants within the gaza strip have launched about 30 rockets into israel, so the violence continues, even though we seem to be getting more and more people involved in making a cease fire come to a conclusion and end this violence as we begin this second week of this conflict. ross? >> thank you for that. we'll talk to you a little bit later. chapman bell from tel aviv. >>> officials from six world powers are meeting in brussels to plan for a possible new round of talks with iran to avert the threat of a military conflict. also, japan's trade deficit has widened, exacerbated by territorial tensions. now we have the details from tokyo. >> reporter: hi, ross. japan's finance ministry reported a bigger than expected trade deficit of $6.7 billion for october. that's a record for the month and marked the fourth straight month of red ink in japan's trade account. exports fell 6.5% on the year to $62.8 billion for the fifth month in a r
that's what happened, although right now the israeli defense forces are not saying that they know of anyone being killed there. our source in gaza is this young man's brother. so we're waiting to get some sort of confirmation on the israeli side of exactly what happened. this could be problematic for what is already a very delicate seat fire. and it's interesting here in this country, you have quite a mixed reaction as to the cease fire itself. this gaza, they have been celebrating. here, not exactly. about 59% of the people, a majority in this country, said they wanted this offensive to go on further. they didn't want to end right away. they didn't being the jnidn't t done. a third of the people said they felt israeli troops should go in on the ground. we spent the day yesterday in the south, a place bombarded by rockets and we heard a similar sent chlt. a number of people tellings thaws they were very disappointed with netanyahu. yesterday good gaza, a national day of celebration. you saw people in the streets celebrating, they felt this was a victory for hamas, a sense of legit
? some down payment. the second act is some clear indication of what to do with medicare and defense stocks. they have to give a clear indication otherwise there's going to be some kind of credit downgrades in the months going into 2013. how about the greek deal? i fell out of my chair. this is a default in all but name. look at this. an extension of the loans for 15 years. 15 years. $245 billion of loans. deferral of interest payments for ten years. deferred for ten years. and a reduction in interest rates. imagine this. you have a 30-year mortgage at 3%. now instead of a 30-year mortgage you have a 45-year mortgage. instead of 3% you're paying 2%. how about no interest payments for the next ten years on your 30-year mortgage? that's the deal the greeks just signed. it's staggering because what's happening here is don't call it a default. it's not a default. it's a restructuring. the fact is this is the first step on forgiveness of the debt. they're not officially forgiving any debt. don't say that. they'll freak out on you. the fact is that the next step from here is going out into
, put up some of the sector gainers and you'll see, housing, gold, cyclical, defense and there's the cbo golds index, too. this is all risk on trades here, so the market is giving a breather. i spent some time today calling around to traders saying when is going to be the cliff you're worried about. when are you going to stop selling rather than the buying that's been going on. here is the sense i got from people. number one, congress has got a two-week good will period. that seems to be the consensus of most of the traders. a for the next two weeks, her l essentially, congress can negotiate a deal. the markets are going to be nervous if there's no indication of a deal by the week of december 10th. that's about the cut off where most say if we don't see an indication, we're going to get nervous. not priced in at all is no deal. going over the fiscal cliff, that is not priced in at all into the markets and everyone says we'll see a big, steep drop off. what do they need? i asked traders, what's the down payment of the deal. there's three or four elements. this is the minimum we're going
know of or was discussed in the complaint. but your point is a good one. we don't know what the defense is here in terms of mr. martoma and his lawyer, do we? >> we don't. we have strong bullish language from charlie in favor of his client. we also have a fact that the feds have been trying for years to build a case against a higher up at s.a.c., probably cohen based on what we hear as of this week. so far it hasn't worked out. the other interesting tidbit from the other day, the journal reported there was a wiretap placed on one of steve cohen's phones sometimes around the time of this sale of this insider trading allegedly driven position. there was a two-week wiretap of cohen's phones. we don't know whether that wiretap was present when the key conversation was had with martoma or not. if you read the complaint, there's very little detail about that pivotal conversation. we really don't -- it's possible they're not showing their full hand them have more that we haven't seen. it's possible that they don't have a lot of case tying cohen to insider trading allegations. >> kate kelly, th
. and international, so the fiscal cliff and everybody talks about the dra coneon armageddon with defense contractors that's not us. our government is state, local, homeland security. >> do you expect google to make handsets five years from now? >> very, very tough business. mobility lost 530 million last quarter. i think it's a tough road. there's room for apple and samsung and maybe one other player. tough. i'm glad we got out of the business and are focused on what we're doing. last point on fiscal cliff, it's not about ideology and not about -- >> oh yes it is. >> it's about making a deal, not a point. i'm optimistic we can do it. >> you should get into the censor business. >> thank you for being here. we really appreciate it. >>> coming up, crunch time for retailer, we'll get a cyber monday report from power retailers. d to cost a fortune. nobody said an all-in-one had to be bulky. or that you had to print from your desk. at least, nobody said it to us. introducing the business smart inkjet all-in-one series from brother. easy to use. it's the ultimate combination of speed, small size, and low-c
. democrats don't seem to favor lowered defense budget and favor higher taxes for the rich and so we're done. i think we're done. >> after durbin speoke yesterda, if you're going to get a blueprint, he doesn't want entitlements be part of it for next year. >> it's the 1,000-point solution. maybe that will change their mind. durbin said no. norquist is saying no tax increase. what else is there? am i missing something? what am i missing? blankfe >> stallen made a lot of sense. mass murderer about you doesn't mean he didn't make sense. >> blankfein, kent, mayer, roberts of comcast. is there anything these guys can say to change their tune? to get people -- >> we're just past thanksgiving. let's give it a little time. things can change. we've seen lots of back and forth. everybody is establishing their negotiating position. there's still a negotiation to come in some way. i'll take the optimistic view. >> maybe that's where they are starting from. >> a reset button? >> we have yet to get in there and see whether in fact there can be the ability to knock heads around and really figure something
massive layoffs. >> lockheed martin is a safer cow. there's got to be fat in the defense industry. >> what about aetna who says this is going to lead to layoffs to the point where it increases their medical costs. so they're going to lay off people. >> we should introduce our nobel laureate. >> we do have a nobel laureate at the table. robert engel is a nobel laureate in economics who won the prestigious award in 2003 for his work analyzing volatility. he's also a professor of finance at nyu's school ofs. while we have you, do you have views on the fiscal cliff? >> you know, the fiscal cliff is on everybody's radar, but i think it's not the only thing that needs to be on our radar because i think that the situation in europe could actually turn out to be just as damaging for the u.s. economy as the fiscal cliff. >> is that a picture of us if we don't handle our problems here too? is that the ghost of the future? >> i think in both cases, we're talking about politics getting in the way of economics. i think the fiscal cliff could be dealt with exactly as you said. if the politics weren't su
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